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Murrieta Supervisor: Court's Pro-Gun Decision a Win for 'Second Amendment Rights'

Riverside County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jeff Stone is praising a federal court decision favoring gun owners who want to carry concealed handguns for personal defense, saying the ruling was a victory for "Second Amendment rights."

"I'm in shock," Stone told City News Service on Thursday when informed about the 2- 1 decision in Peruta v. County of San Diego. "I can't believe the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals made a ruling that actually upholds the Constitution."

Stone drew parallels between the court decision and a resolution he authored in November 2009 that called on Riverside  County Sheriff Stan Sniff to remove barriers law-abiding residents might otherwise face when applying for concealed firearms permits.

"My resolution stated simply that if a law-abiding person comes forward and says, 'I want to carry a gun for personal protection,' they should be granted that request," Stone said.

The Peruta case involved five San Diego County residents, led by Edward Peruta, who had sought or were considering obtaining permits to carry concealed pistols for protection. According to court papers, the plaintiffs' applications had either been rejected -- or they feared that, based on county criteria, they would be rejected.

The plaintiffs sued the county, alleging violations of their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. They specifically pointed to the statewide standard, applied in San Diego and the state's 57 other counties, of requiring gun permit applicants to demonstrate "good cause" in order to justify being granted a permit.

The plaintiffs argued that the criterion was arbitrary and opened the door to abridging "constitutionally protected conduct" rooted in the Second Amendment, according to the Ninth Circuit ruling.

The lawsuit made no headway in state court, resulting in the federal appeal.

Ninth Circuit Judges Diarmuid O'Scannlain and Consuelo Callahan ruled that the state's "good cause" provision was  inconsistent with previous rulings by the U.S. Supreme Court that recognized "the right to protect oneself against public and private violence, thus extending the right in some form to wherever a person could become exposed to ... violence."

"It brings to mind scenes such as a woman toting a small handgun in her purse as she walks through a dangerous neighborhood, or a night-shift worker carrying a handgun in his coat as he travels to and from his job site," the judges wrote.

In his dissenting opinion, Judge Sidney Thomas argued that handguns should be limited to individuals who can show a clearly legitimate need to carry one -- the foundation for the "good cause" standard.

"It limits the risk to public safety by reducing the number of guns in public circulation, but allows those who will most likely need to defend themselves in public to carry a handgun," Thomas stated.

Stone, a gun owner, told City News Service he won't be surprised if the California Attorney General's Office appeals the 2-1 federal decision invalidating the "good cause" limitation.

"In the meantime, I would hope that sheriffs across the state honor the Second Amendment rights of their citizens," Stone said. "With the state releasing felons into our communities to make room in prisons, that's all the more reason people should have the means to protect themselves."

Stone used the rationale behind his 2009 resolution as an example.

"I wrote that at the request of an Iraq War veteran," Stone said. "He went over there to defend this country, carrying a gun, and yet when he got back, he couldn't carry one here, even though he lived in a dangerous neighborhood. People have the right to protect themselves and their families."


– By Paul Young, City News Service.

ChrisG February 15, 2014 at 09:50 PM
@jeff, we are discussing legal concealed permits for citizens. Not kids playing guns. Get with it please!
Allen G February 15, 2014 at 11:33 PM
Remember folks, the framers of the constitution provided the people with the second amendment to protect against tyranny. Now because of massive financial fraud we have to protect against our neighbors. Sad days for us all...
Allen G February 15, 2014 at 11:45 PM
We should be greatful for people like this in our local governments, because that goes to show that some people "in the system" are out to help people and see what is going on in our country and the world. if you think things in this world are bad now, just you wait... this party is getting ready to rock!
Chris February 16, 2014 at 12:03 AM
It's amusing and at the same time disturbing to read posts on internet forums of people like Jeff thoroughly enjoying their freedom of speech, at the same time demanding infringement or out right ban of the 2nd amendment. Either they are simple internet trolls looking for salacious one sided I'm right/you are wrong no matter what you say posts, or they are just to stupid to understand that killing one amendment only leads to the death of the amendment that affords them the luxury to speak their mind on the internet... I personally go with the later.
kristin c February 16, 2014 at 12:11 AM
I saw Jeffs first post and thought he can be a really nice guy when he takes his meds and then I scrolled down... and felt sorry for his puppy.
Vic February 16, 2014 at 10:52 AM
Lol! @kristen c. Man's best friend, Jeff's ONLY friend!
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 02:51 PM
ChrisG- you and I are talking about kids playing with guns.....thats how lunatic gun nuts act when they have a gun in their hands. It won't be long until one of these freaks of nature goes zimmerman or michael dunn on someone. You just wait. kristen c is actually Kristen Cheney stay at home conservative tea party mommy.
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 02:56 PM
Royas soon as you are arrested......my restraining order will be filed, with a request to remove your guns because you are DANGEROUS to the cities of Murrieta and surrounding areas.
kristin c February 16, 2014 at 03:13 PM
Why Jeff you say that as if its a bad thing. Maybe if your mom stayed home with you, you'd have better manners and wouldn't be so bitter.
Vic February 16, 2014 at 04:06 PM
I quote someone you'll probably recognize, "Still waiting....ROFLMO!!!"
Steve Newman February 16, 2014 at 04:36 PM
Jeff- where do I start- if and when Roy is arrested, he has to be found guilty of something that would require his weapons to be confiscate. And why haven't you filed the restraining by now- an arrest is a criminal matter- a restraining order is a civil matter- and by filing a restraining order you can not attach to it the confiscation of weapons unless they have been used to convey a threat against you. So as usual you are full of crap. And what's with the f bomb- so much for following the rules. but you don't do that because you are special and belong in a special place- Atascadero.
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 06:08 PM
Not a criminal restraining order......you were a policeman? That can't be true, but even a civil restraining order can include a request to have any guns confiscated. So again, I am the winner......neither of you two can ever win an argument.....I am waiting to have the DA give me the go ahead......many threats were made. One threat in front of the police where it was stated, even if I win, I will lose.....LOL.
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 06:11 PM
Cheney it is you that are bitter.....maybe you should get out and understand the real world and LEARN about your community beyond laying around the house eating bon bon's.
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 06:12 PM
You said Roy, you were coming....and you were too much of a coward to come.......I said I was coming to get you and I came.......
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 06:15 PM
Now its the next step......criminal restraining order.....then civil case where I can prove my reputation was damaged and according to my attorney, thats my last and final step.
Jeff Kleiner February 16, 2014 at 06:16 PM
Life is wonderful.........weather is amazing........puppy loves our pool.......jumped right in and couldn't get her out
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 02:22 AM
Jeff- I did not know the county provided a free attorney for civil actions- if you can not afford one for a criminal action, then how can you afford one for a civil one? Did you lie to the court about your ability to pay- not a surprise since you lie all the time. you are waiting for the DA to give you the go ahead- for what delusional little man. And the only pool you have is above ground- or the plastic ones you get from costco.
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 02:27 AM
I can understand why you could not get your puppy out Jeff- you probably killed it. You have not reputation to regain- everybody knows what a psycho you are- especially your family. Worse people to call to court to testify against you- wow, a guy that his own family hates= Atascadero is calling.
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 02:31 AM
Jeff- you are like the guy on live free or die hard-the fat computer nerd who hangs out in his basement and never leaves home. Did you imagine the sunshine at the beach- or was that the reflection off of Lake Elsinore? Maybe it is your screen saver. You can't go out because your wheel chair gets stuck in the sand. RLMAO- big time wimpy boy.
kristin c February 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM
I don't care for bon bons. I really like twizzlers though. Steve, I about fell off my "couch" reading your last statement. Hahahaha!!!!
Jeff Kleiner February 17, 2014 at 12:52 PM
Poor sad Steve Newman........just shake my head at you. If you and your wife need any help in her time of need I would be happy to help.
Jeff Kleiner February 17, 2014 at 12:56 PM
I truly love winning an argument......as soon as the posts evolve into name calling with no purpose I laugh and become more embolden.......thank you Belle for your fantastic advice.
Jeff Kleiner February 17, 2014 at 01:21 PM
Twenty-four year old Dereck Simonsmeier of Schofield, Wisconsin is another self-proclaimed “responsible” gun owner who advocates for the “right” to openly carry a firearm anywhere he wishes and derides those who are made uncomfortable by the presence of a loaded weapon in a location where one would not expect to see it. Less than a week ago he had a guest essay published in his local newspaper which quickly went viral on pro gun websites whining that he was asked to leave a Pick ‘N Save market when he refused to conceal the handgun he was openly carrying on his belt. He now has something new to whine about as he has been arrested and jailed on endangerment charges after threatening a friend’s roommate with that same weapon. In his op-ed he wrote that he is a college graduate and an Iraq war veteran and that he is always armed justifying it by saying that for his entire tour of duty in Iraq he had been armed and that he can see no reason why that should change on the streets and in the businesses in his hometown. “I do not carry it to be tough or to start a fight; I carry it because it is my right and to protect the ones I love. Yet even with the welfare of others in mind, I am scrutinized and mocked for exercising my Second Amendment right,” he wrote. His actions on Wednesday do not support these claims. A friend called him and three other friends to assist her in an attempt to make her roommate to leave the apartment that they shared. Simonsmeier, Danny Price, 32, Shannon Wheeler, 25, and Amanda Zastrow, 26, responded to her call for help with all three of the men armed. This does not conform to his claim that he does not carry the weapon to intimidate or pick a fight. When police were called all three men were arrested on charges of endangering safety and Zastrow was arrested for being a party to a crime. Police confiscated a .40-caliber Glock handgun, a 1300 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun and a Remington 1911 handgun, the very same weapon that Simonsmeier said he was carrying at the Pick ‘N Save in his op-ed piece. Hopefully after his court case is over he will no longer be able to own any firearms due to a felony conviction.
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 02:47 PM
Kleiner- you are delusional-as usual- I would never ask your ilk for help if you were the last man standing- oh wheeling. Tell us jeff- is your dog a male or a female-be it's a female-a bitch for a bitch. And you have never won an argument- we just get tired of reading your rubbish and dial out. So how was your visit with Obama? Non existent. Like your trip to the Oceanside pier or was that legoland where you might be smarter than the blocks. Have you looked up restraining order to see it is not criminal- but failure to follow a restraining order can lead to criminal or civil charges. Kind of like lying about no money for representation.
Jeff Kleiner February 17, 2014 at 04:10 PM
I WIN AGAIN!!!! HOW MANY TIMES NOW STEVE??? ENTITLEMENTS??? AMNESTY??? PROP8??? OBAMA ELECTION?? ON AND ON.......this is the easiest win I have ever gotten. How Do I Get a Criminal Protective Order? To get a Protective Order, the District Attorney must show the court the defendant has: Hurt you, Made you feel afraid, Tried to get you to not testify, or Threatened to do any of these things. It may be issued by the judge after the defendant (the restrained person) is arrested, charged or found guilty of certain crimes against the victim. The case is filed by the District Attorney on behalf of the People of the State of California. If the District Attorney declines to file charges against the other party, there are other types of Protective Orders that you can file on your own. You can read more about the different types of Protective Orders, or you can get more information from the resources listed below under "How to Get More Information." http://www.occourts.org/self-help/restrainingorders/criminalrestrainingorders.html#whatis
Alek J Hidell February 17, 2014 at 04:16 PM
As JFK sadly muttered when watching Nixon give his "Checkers" speech---- "Sick, sick, sick....."
Jeff Kleiner February 17, 2014 at 04:16 PM
Steve, instead of me continuing to school you, why don't you start with the basics.....IF YOU FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL??? Here is a link to economics classes at San Jacinto Community College......http://www.msjc.edu/InstructionalPrograms/Documents/1314/econ.pdf
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 04:30 PM
Kleiner- if I had not told you to look it up, you would not know anything about restraining orders. so who is schooling whom. I would have thought your attorney would have explained that to you. But you have no attorney because you have no case or money. And I did finish high school- then attended the University of South Vietnam School of Combat, then came home and finished at Cal State Long Beach- and I took both micro and macro economics. did you use the San Jacinto link yourself- they have special education classes for people like you.
Alek J Hidell February 17, 2014 at 04:58 PM
Nam was loud and I think you got some brain damage. You regretted going and know damn well it was for the copter sales and nothing more. Still hanging on tho shards of your broken world that never was. The Coup of '63 and you went for fodder. Thanks for your DISSERVICE. had you been a true American Patriot you would have fought the ogres that killed your president and nearly got your ass shot off protecting poppy fields from the Cong. Bravo! traitor. that's what you were if you served. coward had no spine for revolution then but talking about it since.
Steve Newman February 17, 2014 at 05:16 PM
Alek- is that really you or has Kleiner infected what is left of your brain. I can see you are another wannabe peace freak who believes in the military-industrial complex. And you calling me a traitor and coward is rich considering what you have done for your country- nothing except hide in your house off of Los alamos hiding from the NSA.

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