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Decision in Red-Light Camera Lawsuit Delayed

A ruling on whether a voter initiative to remove Murrieta's red-light cameras can remain on the November ballot is now expected at 5 p.m. Friday.

A court decision to determine if the Murrieta red-light camera initiative would remain on the November ballot was expected Wednesday but delayed until Friday.

Attorneys on both sides of attended a hearing Wednesday in a Riverside courthouse during which Judge Daniel Ottolia agreed to consider arguments made against his tentative ruling that would have struck the initiative from the ballot. He is expected to announce his decision at 5 p.m. Friday.

The initiative, brought forth Murrieta residents Diana Serafin and Robin Nielson , seeks to ban the cameras from Murrieta.

However, the lawsuit filed by Steve Flynn, a former Public Safety and Traffic Commissioner largely responsible for implementing the cameras in 2006, states traffic laws can only be regulated at the state level.

Pacific Justice Institute attorney Peter Lepiscopo is representing Serafin and Nielson in their fight to keep it on the ballot, and was grateful the judge took his argument into consideration.

"I feel very good about the way he listened..." Lepiscopo told Patch. "The main thing I argued was that Mr. Flynn can wait until after it passes—if it does—to take up this matter. He should not interfere with the people's right to vote in this matter."

Flynn was more inclined to believe the judge would ultimately rule in his favor.

"I am glad that it went in our favor today," Flynn said Wednesday by phone. "I don't like that we had to do it this way, but I do feel the group (who filed the initiative) was misleading the public. So it is a win for the citizens of Murrieta."

Charles Bell of Sacramento-based Bell, McAndrews and Hiltachk, the firm which filed the suit on behalf of Flynn, believed the judge would rule in his client's favor Friday.

"The judge had what was called a tentative ruling which means it is the way he intends to rule," Bell said Wednesday during a phone interview.

The tentative ruling, according to Bell, was that traffic regulations were of statewide concern, and as such the initiative was something that would need to be brought to voters at the state level.

"We are optimistic and hopefully on Friday the judge will come down with his tentative ruling as final," Bell said.

With the Registrar of Voters' Aug. 15 deadline to print the ballot approaching, neither party may have enough time to appeal the judge's decision.

Murrieta city council to renew its five-year contract with American Traffic Solutions for the cameras, plus add two more. However, another long-term contract and the addition of more cameras was being delayed until after the November election.

Cameras are installed at three Murrieta intersections: Murrieta Hot Springs and Whitewood roads, Murrieta Hot Springs and Margarita roads, and Clinton Keith Road and Nutmeg Street. Those caught running red lights at those intersections are mailed tickets.

While the city was also named in Flynn's lawsuit, city council voted to

Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Steve, you cannot vote in laws that violate either the US Constitution or the California State Constitution. Notice the law requiring the city to limit the city manager's salary. You cannot do it!!! No matter how many residents vote for it. You can't do it. Have you seen Bob Kowell start a lawsuit that he threatened??? OF COURSE NOT. Its against the California law. No matter what the majority says, the minority is ALWAYS protected by the US Constitution. LOL......So conservatism keeps losing in the courts. PROP 8 IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. You can't vote in a law that discriminates and violates the US Constitution no matter what your conservative ideology dictates. We live in the USA.....NOT Conservoland.
The Gorilla August 02, 2012 at 08:58 PM
Sure Jeff I am short and somehow my late model sedan morphed into a truck. You are a laugher. Blog policies are not THE LAW. Suspend me I don't care. I already have many other Blog names here just like you do. I have way more to publish too. I just gave you a very tiny sample
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Here we go again, Dave Peters invading another string to defend his wife beating, child abusing friend? Does Cindy feel the same way as you do??? That conservatism is more important then a persons ethics?
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:01 PM
Poor Dave....sad Dave....Judd is a very close.....VERY CLOSE friend of mine....but not me. LOL.
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:03 PM
I see two Dave Peters posts and only two on this string that have nothing to so with this string?? How come Dave, no real opinion? Or are you like Mitt Romney....going to tell everyone your ideas AFTER being elected because he and you have no clue about the subject.
The Gorilla August 02, 2012 at 09:07 PM
You have to laugh Dave Peters! He has such an obsession with this area! I have said that my goal from the beginning was to have him arrested on five year old 25k felony bench warrant for car theft. But now this is just so funny and entertaining. The man says only paranoid people are scared of drones but one flew right over his house and I am sure he won't like to see how great they work. He thinks two BIG DOGS will stop him from being arrested. Jeff I like dogs but what is to stop the police from Tasing or using tranquilizer darts or even a steak with meds on those dogs of yours? Too funny how people with FELONY warrants get so arrogant and think a gate and dogs can protect them! Hilarious!
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:08 PM
Red light cameras are not implemented to hurt Murrieta residents. They are not there to spy on residents as mental cases like Diana Serafin and Robin Nielsen have said. They are for safety and protection and to save lives. Even one life saved is worth the cost. OH DAVE......you'll never bully me off. NEVER. You can give out my personal information all you want. As a matter of fact, my birthday is Monday. Are you and your buddy, wife beater Roy Holmgren getting me a present?
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:18 PM
No Dave, you and your friend wife beater Roy Holmgren hijack every conservative string.....I just tell the truth. Dave is it OK to post peoples names, ages and address on a blog??? When they are not public? You said you were a union worker......do they let union workers off at 230 in the afternoon to use the internet.......nice try Roy,,,,Dave Peters is Roy Holmgren, unemployed Electrician. Did you pay your $125 child support Roy, or are you a deadbeat still?
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:19 PM
Roy......watch out Roy, get your guns.....the drones are coming.....LOL.....
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:26 PM
If people weren't running red lights, this would not be an issue. The cameras would sit there and quietly monitor their assigned intersection. Are people upset only when they get caught? The questions to answer simply: •Is the use of such technology legal according to the state constitution? •Is running a red light Illegal? •Did you run the red light? Case closed. Why are we becoming more averse to obeying the laws of the land? If we as a people do not like the laws, change the law, not the enforcement of the law. Why are we as a country turning into a group of whiners? If the states are making money with red-light cameras, good for them. They need the money. If we want more control over how they spend the money, or we think they are just wasting the money, that is a completely different issue. Stop whining, and obey the law. It is really just that simple.
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:40 PM
A 2011 Institute study comparing large cities with red light cameras to those without found the devices reduced the fatal red light running crash rate by 24 percent and the rate of all types of fatal crashes at signalized intersections by 17 percent. 7 Previous research showed that cameras substantially reduce red light violations and crashes. Studies by the Institute and others have found reductions in violation rates or violations ranging from 40 to 96 percent after the introduction of cameras. 2, 8, 9 Institute studies in Fairfax, Virginia, and Oxnard, California, found that in addition to the decrease in red light running at camera-equipped sites, the effect carried over to signalized intersections not equipped with red light cameras, indicating community-wide changes in driver behavior. In Oxnard, significant citywide crash reductions followed the introduction of red light cameras, and injury crashes at intersections with traffic signals were reduced by 29 percent. 10 Front-into-side collisions – the crash type most closely associated with red light running – at these intersections declined by 32 percent overall, and front-into-side crashes involving injuries fell 68 percent. Thats two thirds!!! I 'll stay with safety first and if you break the law, pay the fine
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Thats because you are Roy Holmgren......LOL!!!
The Gorilla August 02, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Jeff I work too and am doing quite well and as usual you post obsolete four year old information. I learned that to keep scumbags like Jeff from learning stuff that agreements with the court just have to stay out of court. Jeff is a dork He thinks people do the scummy things he does right Dave Peters. Jeff I don't know Dave but it is funny to hear you call us liars. I will tell you what Jeff. You said you were 6 2 and 190? And you said i was short and fat? Jeff are you as tough in real life as on a blog? We can get a local UFC gym to host a charity fight Jeff and donate all proceeds to the American Cancer Society. I am really 6 2 220. Think about it Jeff I would love to legally kick your ass but I know you are too much of a pussy to show up. You are only brave enough to spew hatred here. I would love to whisper in your ear as I put you through the pain of submission.
Paul August 02, 2012 at 10:48 PM
What do you mean "your poor driving" You are extremly wrong about this. DO you just make up lies to throw out insults. I have been driving since there were only thirteen miles of freeway in California and almost no tickets, and the few I got were over many years were just slighly over the speed limit. ever, NEVER any for running red lights..
Paul August 02, 2012 at 10:50 PM
More nutty babbling!
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Dave (Roy) I could care less. Sorry Roy, this is a blog and I don't go and fight anyone......you know you have more then one screw loose. Short, Fat and Ugly. Your mentally ill. Fight?? Over a stupid blog.....are you that immature? Well I guess we know you are. BEATING UP WOMEN, STALKING THEM and being arrested while doing it. Roy, you failed to tell us about your guns.....WOOOOOOO. We are all shaking as you throw out empty threats. This weekend Roy I will be at the river on a houseboat. Roy Holmgren, the unemployed stalker......seems you and Dave Peters work the same hours.....LOL. Roy, I'm waiting for the camera crew to come......lol........you and Diana Serafin are the face of conservatism, with your hatred for minorities, your bigotry and your racism. Look up the term racist Holmgren and even if you have a black friend or half breed children......your comments are intended to attack Hispanics, Gays, Blacks and Muslims ect.......
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 10:57 PM
No Paul, Birrthers like you are not only bizarre.....your deranged to think that years and years ago the Obama's placed ads in newspapers to fool America so their son could be President. Your a headcase.
Paul August 02, 2012 at 10:59 PM
I can understand your not liking Sean Hannity, but how can you say such things about Gretchen and Bill? I would like to straighten Bill out about a few things too. You are really letting yourself be brainwashed by the liberals. you do not know what is really going on in the world. I cannot remember how long it has been since I had to pay a traffic fine, maybe 30 or 40 years ago. And then fines were about 6 or 8 hours gross wages.
Paul August 02, 2012 at 11:07 PM
SCOTUS has not ruled yet on this issue, but it is back on their list. Meanwhile 30 states have voted it into their state constitution that marraige is the union of one man and one woman, and two more have it in their laws. Four more states voting on it this November. There are no states yet where the voters have voted in same sex marriage,
Paul August 02, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Thanks Dave!
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 11:25 PM
You know whats great?? President Obama leads Romney 50-43% in the General Election. Polling by Pew Research shows that if the election took place today, Obama may get up to 300 Electoral points, needing only 270 to win........ Its virtually impossible for Republicans to take the Senate according to the poll and a solid chance that Democrats could take the House. To win you need 60 votes to control the Senate not 51. The Congress will still not be able to pass anything for the next 4 years. Hispanics, Blacks and others will soon be the majority in America......its great to be so diverse.
Jeff K August 02, 2012 at 11:35 PM
Steve Flynn, you truly are my hero. Just watch your back with Roy Holmgren out there stalking you......he may go Holmes on someone. Challenging a person on a blog to a fight because he's so frustrated.
The Gorilla August 03, 2012 at 12:46 AM
I am not frustrated at all Jeff. I am laughing like crazy at you! Look back at your posts. You so funny. I am sure my Black young and hot girlfriend will get a laugh at the short fat and ugly part of your post. Your desperation is hilarious! You post so many falsehoods that you make yourself the MORON. I love it! I am going boating and Jet Skiing at Lake Powell for ten days just like I did last year You should see the FB pictures that place is awesome! Your poll is just a little biased there Jeff. Obama is going down in flames because he can't grow the economy and we need 4% growth to get out of Obamas debt mess. Obamas socialist command and control policies cant do that type of growth. Obama is the all time debt and welfare president. What a hypocrite! Jeff Kleiner and Steve THe Tick Flynn like each other. What a beautiful couple. Thank you Steve Flynn and Attorney Bell ....you have no idea the gift you have given us! Thank You!
The Gorilla August 03, 2012 at 12:55 AM
I knew Jeff would run from anything real life. Jeff hides in his blog wonderland and you will NEVER see him in real life in Murrieta or temecula. He is fake and has a weird obsession. Dave Peters you may meet me sometime if you get out in public. I can usually be found at some Murrieta events but mostly Temecula functions and am a frequent patron of Old Town Temecula. Maybe we will run into each other sometime. Kleintard is at home mostly playing the online fool.
Jeff K August 03, 2012 at 01:50 AM
LOL....I have never seen any of your pictures Roy, I don't stalk people. I would be ashamed and embarrassed as a Father to say that I NEEDED to tell anyone about my girlfriend and that you wanted to fight someone over comments they made on said blog. Youre sick. NO ONE, needs to promote themselves like you do. Look up short man's syndrome because it is you. You have this need to impress people but don't know how to do it.You havent a clue about anything. But behind the scenes you work third shift somewhere as an electrician, making nothing. Well your conservatism is the source of all evil in my country. It loses in court, the laws it creates get thrown out, the politicians instead of creating jobs are trying to force racist policies like English as the only language. Thats what the goals and standards are of the Tea Party Republican Party. They have had four years and have done nothing to create jobs. Tax breaks for the rich and the corporations don't create jobs. Companies don't hire people to sit around. They need DEMAND. You create demand by hiring people especially in government sector. If you lay those people off, you get what we have today. DEMAND is what companies and services need to hire. People with money create demand. Republicans have been stalled by Tea Party idiots. Ask Boehner. He can't get anything through because the Extremists like you Roy are only interested in your hate of minorities.
Jeff K August 03, 2012 at 01:54 AM
But Roy, think of all the over the top things youve tried and FAILED at. You tried to sue me and serve me and failed in your lawsuit. You set up a website.....how sick and demented is that? Then you called family members and friends and work mates and said the most incredibly off base things....your Holmes like. My Mom my laughed at you. No one cares about you Roy......go take your ignorant personality away for the next ten days.......just make sure you pay your child support before you leave. Make sure you don't beat up any women and stay away from those many restraining orders you've earned from stalking. LOL
The Gorilla August 03, 2012 at 03:42 AM
Typical Jeff. You accuse others of doing what you really do. You are a typical Sociopath as EVERYONE who has met you has said of you, People who have not met me accuse me of all kinds of stupid things. but people who know me in Murrieta and Temecula ...probably upwards of five hundred people ...all on my FB and all know me for real know you are a MORON. Lets talk stalking Jeff. I am about to post the FB transcript between you and my ex which has you inquiring about my location after a year.,,,.basically out of nowhere. Or should we talk about how you came on the Patch again out of nowhere and attacked me personally because you otherwise cant win against me...well no matter what you cantr win against me in any way So I will be posting Jeff years long Gay obsession with me and your stalking. I just react to you Jeff that is why your accusations that I stalk are so hilarious. My lawsuit didnt fail Jeff. It shut you up for a while and I let it go as long as you went away. But you keep coming back because I guess your Gay attraction to me wont stop. Your family was contacted during the lawsuit to find out the type of wack job you were. They confirmed to were a demented liar. Their own words Jeff. So we will move forward with a much more detailed look at Jeff Kleiner because Jeff Kleiner cant stop. I can and have stopped many times Jeff but you dont intimidate me. You do have a felony warrant so i will have you filmed in cuffs. In the meantime I am going to surprise you.
The Gorilla August 03, 2012 at 03:19 PM
I frequent Spellys after the gym. Sounds good to me !
The Gorilla August 03, 2012 at 03:23 PM
Oh oh look out someone that posts under multiple identities is going to think Steve Dave Gorilla are the same person!
Jim August 03, 2012 at 10:34 PM
Since it looks like the initiative process cannot make the cameras go away, here is the other way to get rid of them: Economics. Make it very unprofitable for cities to operate the cameras. How? 1. Educate your friends about Snitch Tickets, so that they don't respond to them. What are Snitch Tickets? They are fake/phishing red light camera tickets sent out by California police to fool the registered owner into identifying the actual driver of the car. One city sends out about 10,000 of them annually. (In SoCal, Bakersfield, Corona, Del Mar, El Cajon, Encinitas, Escondido, Garden Grove, Hawthorne, Inglewood, Laguna Woods, Los Alamitos, Oceanside, Poway, Riverside, Santa Ana, Santa Clarita, Solana Beach, South Gate and Vista use them.) Snitch Tickets have not been filed with the court, so they don't say "Notice to Appear," don't have the court's addr. and phone #, and usually say (on the back, in small letters), "Do not contact the court about this notice." Since they have NOT been filed with the court, they have no legal weight whatsoever. You can ignore a Snitch Ticket. If in doubt, Google the term. And once you understand how tricky a Snitch Ticket is, tell your friends who live in or visit California about them, so that they won't get tricked. 2. Also let you friends know that REAL tickets issued by cities in LA County can be ignored, because the LA County court does not report ignored tickets to the DMV. (This does NOT apply to Murrieta tickets.)


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