Council Due to Enact Murrieta Red-Light Camera Measure

The Murrieta City Council is scheduled Tuesday to certify the recent election results, which include Measure N, Murrieta Prohibition of Automated Traffic Cameras.

Murrieta City Council is set to vote Tuesday on an ordinance implementing the recent voter-approved ban of red-light cameras, despite a recent court appeal by camera backers that sought to delay the action.

The majority of Murrieta voters approved Measure N, Murrieta Prohibition of Automated Traffic Cameras, during the Nov. 6 general election. According to election results certified by the Riverside County Registrar of Voters office, 19,344—57.26 percent—of Murrieta citizens voted to have the cameras removed. Another 14,436—42.74 percent—of residents voted to keep the cameras in place.

Election law requires the measure to go into effect within 10 days of the election results being certified by the city. The certification was set to take place Tuesday during the city council’s regularly scheduled meeting at 6 p.m., when re-elected Randon Lane and newly-elected Harry Ramos were also scheduled to be sworn into office as councilmen.

The camera ordinance, which requires removal of existing red-light cameras, would then be effective Dec. 14.

There is concern among measure supporters, however, that a legal battle may delay removal of the cameras. Measure backer Diana Serafin said she plans to be at the meeting Tuesday to urge city council to immediately implement the measure.

Murrieta city council is scheduled to meet in closed session prior to Tuesday’s meeting to discuss two camera-related lawsuits.

On Thursday, a request by Safe Streets for Murrieta for a stay on the implementation of the measure was denied by a Riverside County appellate court, according to case records. Safe Streets for Murrieta is a committee that during the election was financially supported by American Traffic Solutions, the Arizona-based company that installed and operates Murrieta’s cameras, according to a news report by the The Press-Enterprise.

A campaign disclosure report Safe Streets For Murrieta obtained from the Murrieta City Clerk's office confirmed that the committee received donations totaling at least $55,000 from American Traffic Solutions. The money was used to fund the No on Measure N campaign during the election.

During closed session, council is also scheduled to discuss a previous lawsuit filed against the measure in June. The lawsuit sought to stop the initiative from appearing on the ballot; however, a three-judge panel ruled in favor of a vote from the people, citing other cases in which measures were challenged post election.

Editor's Note: This story was updated at 11:15 a.m. Dec. 4 after the campaign disclosure form for Safe Streets for Murrieta was obtained by Patch from the Murrieta City Clerk's office.

Ed Remmell December 04, 2012 at 04:45 PM
Look - I wish the cameras were there to just protect us against people who barrel through red lights. But they aren't. The California rolling-right-on-red is as steep a fine as barreling through a red light. My wife tried to beat a yellow light turning right on Nutmeg from Clinton Keith, and just barely missed it. The video evidence showed that sure enough, her front tires were just behind the line when the light turned red. We paid the $500 photo enforcement fine. That is why I voted for removing the red light cameras.
Preservation of Murrieta! December 04, 2012 at 05:08 PM
That's not the way that camera even works at that intersection ......you have to blow the light going west bound on Clinton kieth only.... dah!
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Jim, your point is well taken on the money, but we are not talking buying some groceries. We are talking lives. Saving one life! If I or a family member received a $500 ticket, I would not let up reminding them about red lights and stop signs. One life!! Diana Serafin doesn't care about that one life. As a matter of fact, one of her issues was that a camera was watching her and she didn't want to be watched. Miss paranoid also commented recently that she feared drones flying over her home. This is the reasoning we are dealing with. Add to that, she still thinks the President of the US is an illegal. These paranoids go to her credibility. I care that we in this city care about everyones safety. If, someone is struck, just like Jenna quoted above, I say, Miss Serafin has been an outspoken opponent of the traffic cameras and was the main driving force in using scare tactics to frighten people into eliminating the cameras. I say she is responsible for any injuries or property damage, and God forbid its one of any of your family members. I saw an earlier post where she was worried that the MPD wanted to give out more tickets. Diana, what Utopia do you think you live in? Its so lax here in California, very limited radar speed traps compared to other cities because of the high license fees in California, but most states and cities depend on income driven by tickets. Grow up Diana. You already scared the people of Murrieta out of their right to vote for the people of their choice.
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Now Byron won't admit he never installed any of the red light cameras. He is an inside estimator and also a liar. Yes moving forward, instead of paying a police officer to sit at traffic lights and watch for violators, we had a system that worked in protecting our safety. I, myself trust the MPD more then Diana Serafin at protecting me and my family. If you talk to anyone who has contact with her you will find that they too find her an extremist with wild paranoid ideas.
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 05:34 PM
Dave, why did you steal my name. The majority of people in the US voted for OUR PRESIDENT. He campaigned on policies totally different than his opponent. This is how Americans mandate the winner of any election to move forward with those policies. Remember, we live in a Democracy where my side won and your side lost. thanks for paying for Obamacare Dave. Yes, there should be retribution. But than Dave, your like Roy, all talk no action, just like at BSC.
Diana Serafin December 04, 2012 at 05:55 PM
So why didn't the camera stop the accident and red light runner? Because it doe NOT stop accidents and red light runners only generates money! By the way was the red light runner under the influence or texting? A camera does NOT stop them from doing stupid stuff!
Jenna December 04, 2012 at 06:01 PM
Unfortunately, too many people get behind the wheel of their cars and become "entitled" to be idiots. Educate them? I think everyone had driving education before getting a drivers license. Amazing how many jerks are out there, can't even signal to change lanes anymore because these same people speed up to not allow you to change lanes. They don't care if its endangering other drivers or not. These people already RACE to get through the yellow light (which often is already red before they are anywhere near the intersection) The cameras would have ensured they got some kind of consequence for their reckless and dangerous driving. But at least you people don't have to worry about getting fined for your wheels touching the lines or your Calif rollling stop - which is not a stop at all. How about just obeying the laws to prevent getting a 500 dollar ticket? I hope "Gil and Jay" continue to monitor the intersection at Nutmeg and CK and ticket everyone who runs the red. They are not doing this to give you ENTITLED ones a ticket, they are trying to save lives. Yes, it is true that the consequence for running the red is a ticket so therefore tickets given = lives saved because if you KNOW you are going to get that ticket for doing something illegal, you might stop at the red light instead of trying to beat the yellow 50 feet back- sorry you don't get that. If no one had to fear getting a ticket, it would be complete chaos with everyone doing whatever they want
Jenna December 04, 2012 at 06:07 PM
To PRESERVATION OF MURRIETA The car that ran the red light was going WEST on Clinton Keith....the initial accident was not caused by the guy who ran the red light....He just came close to making that small accident a TRAGIC one
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 06:08 PM
Jenna, you see this is the type of person you are dealing with. No Diana, we ALL know that the cameras don't shoot out lasers, no do they cast out a net. Anyone with a brain knows that people don't want to spend $500 on a traffic ticket and that in itself makes them slow down defensively when approaching the intersections. Instead, now they can go back to driving offensively and speeding through yellow lights, But a death here or there is OK to you. Thats the price of doing business. Then with that same reasoning. WHY HAVE POLICEMAN PATROLLING THE STREETS? They don't stop robberies. They don't stop speeders. They can't stop a drug dealer from passing the drugs. But what do they do?? They put the fear of God into criminals about getting caught and going to jail. Diana, this is your right wing conservative logic. Why have any rules or regulations right Diana?? So tell everyone what you wrote about drones? Or you thinking our President wasn't born in Hawaii? Or that the only reason you want the cameras taken down was that they were watching you. If I were you, I would never worry that any camera wants to find you.
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 06:14 PM
The preservation of Murrieta.....NO. Its the destruction of Murrieta that Serafin and Kowell want. They already stole your right to vote for the candidate of your choice by yelling. "City of Bell". "City of Bell". But of course that isn't happening. But they put the fear into you and you stupid fools turned the only right you have, the right to vote, over to them. Now you have a trainee in the City Council. They also want the city to hire a lower salaried City Manager. Instead of measuring the saving that he does through negotiation, they judge him on his cost. Thats not how value is established. Bob Kowell ran out of his Granite Construction money so now he can't challenge the city in court, hey Bob. BOO HOO HOO.
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 06:16 PM
JIT566. Your logic stinks. Why have police when everyone can educate themselves on how not to break the law.....stupid.
Jenna December 04, 2012 at 06:21 PM
I agree with you Dave Peter - with this crazy reasoning, why would we have officers patrolling the streets for ANY crime. Seems too many people feel this is a violation of their privacy. The thing is that privacy doesn't exist anymore with technology what it is. Diana's house is on Google maps just like everyone elses....when they shot the pic of my house i was in my front yard. Diana we can't go back to the days before this technology existed but we should be able to use it to better our society...if that means you get a ticket for breaking the law oh well....isn't that how its supposed to work?
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 06:37 PM
You said and I quote "I get paid to install RLPE (Red Light Photo Enforcement)". Yes I know exactly what you do. LIAR
Dave Peter December 04, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Byron, I saw your picture on LinkedIn. My address has been posted many many times on this site. I'm not hidden at all. YOURE A LIAR. You made up the fact that you install RLPE, and you don't. Your just an estimator. I also have a LinkedIn profile and that too has been highlighted many times. What time shoudl I expect you and your gun that you carry in your car.
Cathy Neumann-Bearse December 04, 2012 at 08:02 PM
This post makes me sad! OMG .. Diana did an awesome job out there and plain and simple her efforts won! So, we start a World War here in Murrieta? Some of us do believe they serve a purpose but is it worth starting a war over? No thank you! Please life is TOO short .. lets not take these things too serious that we threaten someone? Again .. life is WAY TOO short!
Daniel December 04, 2012 at 08:39 PM
I agree with you Cathy. This conversation has devolved into a few loons arguing like children. They obviously have bigger problems than this traffic cam issue. Diana used the American political process and fought an uphill battle to try and change something she didn't think was right. That has to be admired whether you agree with her or not. Look, whether you support or oppose the cameras, the people have spoken. That's what America is all about. You win some, you lose some but everybody has got a fair shot. So accept the results of the political process that played out here and move on with your lives.
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 08:40 PM
ATS paid Steve Flynn $55,000 OMG!!!!! I know Diane and all associated PACS spent at most $5,000 and that is being VERY generous. So when you subtract out what Flynn spent on signs you can see that the scumbag Steve Flynn was about lining his pockets once again. By the way Granite did not donate one dime. All the disclosures for YES ON N will shock Steve Flynn and his fellow morons
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 08:54 PM
I want to see how the hell the moron Steve Flynn ...the idiot that fronted the lawsuit against the voters rights of Murrietans earlier this year and claimed on the John and Ken Show that he had NO IDEA who was paying the legal bill.....can break down that $55,000 ATS funded sign expense over one campaign month and not show money going into his own pocket for "services rendered." I also want to know how much of that money went into his philandering buddy Randon Lane's pocket. This stinks of corruption from the top down. Hey city council you are meeting behind CLOSED doors to figure out how to foil the will of the Murrieta people huh? I really hope you give it a try. We have the legal muscle and more embarrassing information than you can handle. Please go legal!
Diana Serafin December 04, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Correction: ATS donated $80,000 and Redflex donated $25,000 to steve Flynn's safe streets Murrieta to defeat us. Total $105,000, plus 2 lawsuits. Ban the cams spent about $2,200 to $2,400. I don't have it totalled out yet but that is a good estimate. David beat Goliath! The citizen voted!
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 09:30 PM
I stand corrected.I was really generous. Where is the breakdown of the moron Steve Flynn's expenses? There is NO WAY that was all for signs. That cost is minimal. ATS is lining the pockets of current and former city officials in order to scam citizens.
Cathy Neumann-Bearse December 04, 2012 at 09:34 PM
For GOD sake people let the issue go!! Grow up!!
Gludenwald December 04, 2012 at 09:39 PM
I'd rather have a tax bump so the city can hire more traffic cops to watch these intersections than have a camera sending money off to some company in arizona. the cops will make judgement calls about if someone clipping the red on a right turn is worth issuing a ticket to, give a visible presence to discourage bad driving, and keep money flowing within our community rather than sending it out of state.
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 09:39 PM
This is called a blog Cathy ...it is for debate and dialogue. I think you need read and participate instead of weakly trying to get people to "grow up."
Jenna December 04, 2012 at 10:31 PM
That's an action I could support but we all know that isn't going to happen. No one will agree to an increase in taxes for law enforcement. Especially not those that so clearly don't want to get caught running reds...
all-c-ing-eye December 04, 2012 at 10:50 PM
It seems accidents occur everywhere cameras or not. The little red sign up there saying red light camera is so small that someone not seeing it will drive the way they drive anyway so only people knowing of its existence will be apprehensive of how to proceed. The sign warning of a device can easily be missed when having to deal with watching out for traffic while driving, do we now have to be paranoid about every place we go that something like a red light/short yellow contraption exists? Im more concerned about the driver behind me talking on the cellphone [without bluetooth] or other things that preoccupy drivers thoughts beside watching the road. Well there was a vote and it should be expected that the council will respect that.
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 10:53 PM
That's right people PURPOSELY run red lights and risk serious injury to themselves and even others. How moronic. The vast majority of people avoid pain and injury that is human nature. People just don't trust unreliable and manipulated traffic systems issuing $500 "guilty till proven innocent" tickets under the guise of safety. Cameras don't stop mistakes ie accidents. That couple that died in October in Temecula would still be dead even if a camera was at Rancho and Jefferson. People need to stop preaching false safety through the use of high fines and unreliable traffic monitoring systems. They don't do anything other than generate revenue for the state and ATS. They don't save one life. Not one
Entitlement Queen December 04, 2012 at 11:28 PM
My priorities are looking out for out of place pedestrians and then two ton cars regardless of whether a driver is distracted or not. If I am getting tailgated , which is frequent in this area, the last thing I am going to worry about is braking in time for a camera at an intersection and risking being rear ended. I am all about avoiding all collisions not just the few that Red Light Camera advocates falsely claim to be protecting us from.
Jennifer McCaughey December 04, 2012 at 11:59 PM
addy, I don't remember you or Dave Peter campaigning in favor of the cameras, did I miss it? You had as much opportunity as anyone else to go out there like Diana did and if you feel so strongly, you all should have done something when it mattered, like campaigning for the cameras and maybe the outcome would have been different. Blaming Diana Serafin for future accidents is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard, almost as dumb as your assumption that anyone careless enough to plow through a red light would not do so because of cameras...are you for real? There are many intersections in Murrieta, most without cameras...who will you blame for accidents that happen there? Is Diana going to be your scapegoat for every accident that involves running a red light, or do you think maybe we can blame the drivers? You really need to get a grip.
Joey Ismail December 05, 2012 at 01:02 AM
Anyone who thinks a scam cam is going to jump down, stop a speeding truck, and save their family members life is an idiot. They are a scam, a farce, a backdoor tax. They do nothing to increase safety. No one blasts through a red light unless they aren't paying attention or they are drunk, either way a scam cam isn't gonna do a damn thing to stop them. They are there to blast people for making right turns on red, and stopping two feet in front of the white line. They are unconstitutional and a cancer, they need to be banned everywhere
Scott Thomas (AKA - Scott Thomas) December 05, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Hey Addy, You obviously have never had the flash from a false triggered event when making a right turn blind you at night, forcing you to pull over to the side of the road waiting for your eyes to adjust. Indeed the cameras are the end all solution to safer streets.


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