Congressman Supports Voter Say in Red-Light Camera Initiative

U.S. Rep. Ken Calvert in a letter addressed to Riverside County Registrar of Voters Kari Verjil urges the defense of the people's right to vote in the matter.

A local lawmaker expressed his support for a voter initiative regarding the red-light cameras in Murrieta in light of a seeking to remove it from the November ballot.

U.S. Rep. Ken Calvert, R-Corona, wrote a letter Friday urging Riverside County Registrar of Voters Kari Verjil to defend voters' rights.

"As you know, the voter initiative process has a long and proud tradition in our form of government," Calvert wrote. "Any efforts to disenfranchise or limit the democratic rights of our citizens must not and can not be allowed to stand."

Calvert urged the Registrar, who is named alongside Murrieta City Clerk Kay Vinson in the lawsuit, to defend the people's right to vote on the measure.

"As is often the case, the citizens involved in the initiative process have limited resources at their disposal. Therefore, it is critical that the appropriate government agencies step forward and provide the necessary resources to defend the democratic rights of the citizens they serve."

See a full pdf of Calvert's letter attached to this article.

Calvert , and to represent cities including Murrieta in the newly-redrawn 42nd District.

Cathy Neumann-Bearse June 17, 2012 at 03:41 PM
Boy, someone was sure yanking on his chain - lies all lies
Ronald Heitzman June 17, 2012 at 03:48 PM
When I lived in OC I counted seven cars turning left on red at one intersection. After the camera was installed at that intersection...zero.
Stephen June 18, 2012 at 05:06 PM
Hi to the suspected ASTRO TURF Post here. OF COURSE the SCAMERA SIDE DOESN'T want a VOTE! What else is new. Read more on former ATS VP Bill Kroske: http://heraldnet.com/article/20110517/BLOG48/705179793/-1/news01 quote: Heraldnet.com requires that people who wish to post comments supply us with a live email address at the time they create their user account. "W Howard" gave an address at American Traffic Solutions. It is one used by Bill Kroske, vice president of business development at ATS. Somebody techie here ran down the internet protocol address that's being used for "W Howard's" posts. The electronic trail led straight back to Kroske's company in Scottsdale." banthecams.org
Stephen June 18, 2012 at 05:10 PM
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110525/BLOG48/705259809 Quote: The revelations come courtesy of The Spokesman-Review in Spokane. When they checked their website, they determined the Scottsdale, Ariz., man appears to have posed as a local there, too, posting comments in support of his company's camera enforcement program in the Lilac City.
James C. Walker June 18, 2012 at 05:44 PM
Forces in the revenue stream from the predatory red light cameras know that if the voters get their say, the answer will be to end the camera program. Cameras have lost 23 of 24 votes, so anyone who likes the cameras and the money they generate will fight VERY hard to prevent a public vote. The sad thing about red light cameras is that they reduce violation rates by a LOT LESS than simply using safer, longer yellow intervals on the lights. Cameras tend to reduce violations by 25% to 50% and take up to a year to achieve that result. Using safer, longer yellows tends to reduce violations by 60% to 90+% and achieves that result almost immediately. Red light cameras are a $$$$$$$$ program, not a safety program, and should be banned everywhere. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association, www.motorists.org, Ann Arbor, MI
James C. Walker June 18, 2012 at 07:23 PM
James Cline evidently prefers using red light cameras with too-short yellow intervals to deliberately create more violations than using safer, longer yellows with no cameras. Everybody in the revenue stream thinks this way, even though using safer, longer yellows would prevent more violations than the cameras. The same is true for posted speed limits. Speed limits produce the greatest safety when they are set at the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions. Posted limits produce the greatest revenue when they are set 5 to 15 mph below the safest 85th percentile levels. It is all a question of what you want most - higher safety or higher revenue? You cannot have both. Jim Walker, NMA
James C. Walker June 18, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Mr. Cline is wrong on that one. You get lower revenue with higher safety procedures. Set the yellows correctly and red light cameras won't produce enough revenue to even pay their own costs, let alone make any profits. The same is true for speed limits. Set them at the 85th percentile speeds, speed traps become unprofitable, and safety improves. The science is on our website. Jim Walker, NMA OH, and no, I do NOT support immigration checkpoints or other roadblocks. See our website on that issue.
James C. Walker June 18, 2012 at 10:54 PM
Red light camera companies won't play unless the contracts make them money because money is their only motivation. Most cities won't keep cameras operating at a loss for very long. IF you set the yellow intervals long enough for the ACTUAL 85th percentile speed of approaching vehicles under good conditions, cameras will not record enough violations to even pay their own $4,000-$5,000 per month per camera costs. You have to set the yellows too short to trap safe drivers into tripping the red in the first few tenths of a second of red and these drivers clear the intersections during the short all-red phase, so they present no crash risks to the cross traffic because it is not in the intersection yet. The other scam in some cities is to ticket slow rolling right on red turns or people who stop in the "wrong place" before turning - regardless of the fact that these actions are almost always safe. Red light violations of all types only account for about 2% of traffic fatalities nationwide and slow rolling right on red turn will only be a few hundredths of 1% of all fatalities. Camera companies understand the issues very well. The improper engineering and unethical traffic enforcement policies for revenue are part of their business plans, and the business plans of their business-partner cities. Jim Walker, NMA
James C. Walker June 18, 2012 at 11:41 PM
10 of the 11 fatals being used for this comparison were caused by drunk drivers, per the official city data. Using garbage "research" like this to falsely make a point is really torturing the data to get a result that is simply not true. Jim Walker, NMA
James C. Walker June 19, 2012 at 02:35 AM
Thanks for the comment Mr. Holmgren. An all-red phase is indeed very useful for safety and is a best-practice today. Most engineers would not agree to one of three to five seconds for ordinary width intersections because it holds up too much traffic for too long. However, an all-red phase of one to two seconds PLUS the appropriate yellow for the actual approach speeds of vehicles is pretty effective to prevent most violations and most intersection crashes. Drivers who violate that timing in the first second of red will almost all clear the intersection before the cross traffic arrives, with just a one to two second all-red phase. The largest causes of t-bone crashes in intersections are drivers who are DUI, heavily distracted, fail to see emergency vehicles, get hit during police chases, and other issues where the presence of a camera has no effect to reduce crashes because these drivers enter two to five or more seconds into the red phase and never even recognized the presence of the red light. Jim Walker, NMA
James C. Walker June 19, 2012 at 05:27 PM
I have no knowledge or comment on Mr. Holmgren's other issues. I was only replying to his red light camera comment : "Mr. Walker I would like to mention that if public safety were the number one motivation then one of the best solutions is a four way red with a three to five second pause for traffic to clear. If someone runs the red either by accident or by negligence then at least crossing traffic will still be held on red and thus preventing life threatening accidents. Red Light Cameras are just a false solution using baked statistics as you have pointed out." He is correct that the statistics used to justify red light cameras are almost always "baked" or "cherry picked" and come from groups that are in the revenue stream from predatory cameras. Correct engineering of the lights will almost always reduce violations by MORE than ticket cameras. Cameras are revenue devices that were NEVER designed to be effective as for safety as better engineering. Consider, if red light cameras actually prevented most violations (which they were never designed to do), HOW would the companies exist if very few tickets were given? The whole industry is a scam. Jim Walker, NMA
James C. Walker June 19, 2012 at 06:59 PM
The overwhelming amount of research done by those NOT in the revenue stream from traffic tickets supports our positions. In most cases, 85th percentile posted speed limits and traffic lights timed to those actual travel speeds create the safest and smoothest traffic flow with the fewest accidents. Try the Michigan State Police booklet on "Establishing Realistic Speed Limits" available on the state website at www.michigan.gov/speedlimits (booklet is better than the smaller pamphlet). This is the truth from the department responsible for traffic safety statewide. The NMA totally supports this position. Jim Walker, NMA
Jill Kleiner June 19, 2012 at 09:02 PM
@Roy Holmgren, James Cline AND Jeff Kleiner. I've spent, no, wasted the better part of my afternoon following your ridiculous string of idiotic accusations and threats. It's been brought to my attention that my name is being dragged into your ongoing pissing match so I felt the need to chime in. To clarify, I am Jeff's cousin by marriage, NOT his sister, and I want NOTHING to do with any of this PATHETIC drama! HOW OLD ARE YOU?!!! Whatever your issues are, GET OVER IT and get on with your lives! NO ONE CARES!!! To think of all the comment threads that you've hi-jacked with the same old crap you've been going back & forth with for years! PLEASE do all of us a favor and SHUT UP!!!
Roy T Tatar June 21, 2012 at 05:39 PM
Unbelievable, a fat Republican gets one right!
Roy T Tatar June 22, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Not as many as fat Repuke-icans.
Roy T Tatar June 23, 2012 at 12:29 AM
You ommitted a whole slew of adjectives describing Repuke-icans: 99% male, usually fat, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, mysoginistic, chickenhawks, warmongers, Bible Thumpers, Norquist kissers, Gasbag Limbaugh blowers, Fixed Noise groupies that hate America. Their only platform: fear, lies & tax cuts for the rich. Plus, if Magic Underwear wins, ... war with Iran & Russia on 1/20/13.


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